[Boboff]

Members old and new, I have been thinking about giberish and drivel, and that, and I would like to know what people consider to be the defining moment in their lives.

Why ?

Well I haven't had one, and I feel a bit left out, and was hoping some of you could share yours so that I could get a sence of what it could be.

We could then do a Chris Moyles net Talking Heads thing which Nood could annimate, sort of like those talking plasticine tortosies who did the gas adverts type of thing.

It would be relevant, pertinent, and would provide an excellent insight into the factors which haver moulded the people that enjoy Chris Moyles.

Or just use lthis ike all the other threads and have a conversation about Scottish people.

Please don't though, this is my attempt to prove I am capable of more than just drivel, so defining moments please.

[Yudster]

Boboff, you have a wife (life partner?) and child(ren?), so don't tell me you haven't had any defining moments. As for mine, well, the time I met Jesus Christ for the first time has to be up there at the top of the list.

Thats surprised you, hasn't it?!

[Walter Sobchak]

At the top of My list would be the birth of My first daughter, such a magical moment!
closely followed by the births of my other 2 daughters.

[Jimmy_Lemon]

Is first wank too crude?

[Sidders]

Surely defining moment is a moment that determines the rest of your life? Fot Moyles it would be something like the first time he heard a Radio and realised he wanted to be on it (as written in the book). I don't think I've had a defining moment in my life yet.

[Yudster]

Is first wank too crude?

Yes - but its funny!

[kendra k]

i don't think i have one.

[Quincy]

i think i am as yet, undefined.

[Console]

I have one, but oddly enough it's hard to define (not a joke).

[Quincy]

is it coolness?

[Console]

No, I suppose it's metaphysical in nature; it's about my view on life, the universe and everything (again, not a joke).

[MK Chris]

It's difficult... I'm not sure I have one either, but then I think these things sometimes happen and you don't realise they're an actual defining moment until after (sometimes years after) it's happened.

Console, I'm really interested in that... I'd be intrigued to read your views.

[Console]

I just looked it up and, in a word, what I came up with was basically determinism. It occurred to me that if everything (every atom, proton, electron, quark and whatever) followed the set laws of the universe then once the universe was set in motion, everything that was going to happen, will happen. Like I said, it's hard to explain, but it led me to logical conclusions about (so called) 'Free Will' that I didn't like too much as well as many other conclusions about life and it's 'meaning'. In some respects it's actually quite comforting to think (believe?) that nothing is truely in one's control, that every particle, and in a macro view every human, in the universe is travelling the course that was set when the universe began and nothing will stop it until the path comes to it's inevitable end.

It's also when I stopped believing in God, but I think I was wavering before then any way.

[MK Chris]

I've not heard that before - very interesting, though I can't say I agree with it.

I don't believe in god either though.

[Mike Redding]

HA, we were talking to this bloke outside the local communtiy centre the other night who was trying to persuade us to become christians and such... was quite funny....

for the record i don't believe in it either, but don't have a problem if people do...

[Andy B]

I just looked it up and, in a word, what I came up with was basically determinism. It occurred to me that if everything (every atom, proton, electron, quark and whatever) followed the set laws of the universe then once the universe was set in motion, everything that was going to happen, will happen. Like I said, it's hard to explain, but it led me to logical conclusions about (so called) 'Free Will' that I didn't like too much as well as many other conclusions about life and it's 'meaning'. In some respects it's actually quite comforting to think (believe?) that nothing is truely in one's control, that every particle, and in a macro view every human, in the universe is travelling the course that was set when the universe began and nothing will stop it until the path comes to it's inevitable end.

It's also when I stopped believing in God, but I think I was wavering before then any way.

Sorry to disappoint you but i've 3 words for ya - Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Without going too quantum physical here, basically it can't be done.

[MK Chris]

The fact is that different people have different theories and with the amount of knowledge we have about the universe and life in general is basically extremely little in comparison to what there is to know. This is what I find fascinating, the unknown. Like that new book - The Goldilocks Enigma - it's all just speculation.

[Jimmy_Lemon]

Dang think Consoles moment was a bit more impressive than mine!

Though mine had a more possitive outcome it seems!

[Jimmy_Lemon]

(sorry just noticed that - no pun intended!)

[Andy B]

Oh incidentaly, my defining moment was similar to Console's in that it helped me understand the meaning of life, the nature of the universe and my place in it. Mine was more of a spiritual realisation rather than a determanistic view and suffice it to say there were large amounts of what the tabloids would call "a substance" in me at the time.

Unfortunately, part of the secret of life is that you can't tell anyone what it is. Everyone has to figure it out for themselves, like in that great film City Slickers and to a lesser extent City Slickers 2

[Longview01]

Having my heart completely smashed to bits for the first time when I was 20, made me who I am today

[Console]

Sorry to disappoint you but i've 3 words for ya - Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Without going too quantum physical here, basically it can't be done.

From memory, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is where we cannot know both the exact velocity and exact spacial position of any fundamental particle due to 'uncertanties'; the more you know of one, the less you know the other. Allowing that it is true, and I have no reason to believe otherwise (it sounds fairly logical, and I can see how it is), it doesn't mean that everything doesn't follow rules, it just means that we'll not be able to acurately follow them ourselves (mathematically). Luckily, I never mentioned being able to calculate the future, only that the future is set and unchangeable.

Anyway, I know that my theory is just that, a theory, and that it requires about as much belief as religions do, so I wouldn't expect everyone to agree with me, and I would never lower myself to force it upon people. However, for better or worse, my theory/belief completely changed my view of the universe, myself and life in general.

[Boboff]

Wow, excellent stuff guys, not sure I can understand most of it, Partly I agree with Console, in that I think that there is a big part to play in life for Fate, things happen, but I tend to beieve this is to do with God, and not atoms or energy.

Inherantly religion and scoiety are a set of rules to live by, and the basic premise of honesty and helping each other should be the driving force in all religion, but it isn't so religion of any form in an organised context is contrary to what I feel, in that we all should just get along with respect for each other.

[Sidders]

It's also when I stopped believing in God, but I think I was wavering before then any way.

Interesting theory Console, and I kinda agree. I thought about that theory a while back and I couldn't think of anyway to disprove it, but then, as there's so many things that are completely unpredictable, there's no way to prove it either.

All the same, that theory just strengthens my belief in God. Everything happens the way God intended it to.

[SAV1OUR]

It's also when I stopped believing in God, but I think I was wavering before then any way.

Interesting theory Console, and I kinda agree. I thought about that theory a while back and I couldn't think of anyway to disprove it, but then, as there's so many things that are completely unpredictable, there's no way to prove it either.

All the same, that theory just strengthens my belief in God. Everything happens the way God intended it to.

lol. But anyway, nothing in life makes snese at all, you've gotta laugh and never be offended, ever, not in a serious way. (David Blaine while sobbing after his glass box stint, talk about defining moment!)