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By Lucie
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But sometimes the reason why 'positive discrimination' is used in the first place is to get more minority groups into certain work areas! If people aren't given a chance, things will never change! I never got why people were so hung up about companies having certain 'quotas' that they needed to fill. Sometimes it can be the only way to change things!

And by the way the advert is VERY offensive :O!
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By Dr. Nick
#236733
Lucie wrote: I never got why people were so hung up about companies having certain 'quotas' that they needed to fill. Sometimes it can be the only way to change things!


You are going for a job. You're in a waiting room with someone from an ethnic minority. You get chatting, and it's clear (s)he is underqualified for the job, and you're going to get the post easily. Two weeks later, you find that the other person got it because the company had to fill the quota.

Bad for you cos at the end of the day, you wasted your time applying and going for the interview, which was reduced to a formality because as soon as the other person's CV hit the desk, the job was theirs. And it's bad for the company because they're not getting the best person for the job.

Then, when that person is in the job. They may be very good, but everyone knows thay were only in the job because of the colour of their skin, causing resentment. If YOU are trying to move within the organisation, you and your friends will feel resentment which will spread. In the end, you could end up CREATING racism problems because everyone in the office will feel anti-whatever that person is.

I'm in favour of personnel depts. removing all ethnic, age, name and disability information from CVs, and people hired purely on merit. Positive discrimination can be as detrimental as negative.

Oddly enough, a friend of mine in Botswana says that in his large organisation they resent white people because having a white person on-staff is quite a status symbol, so they're hired with better money and perks. It's causing big rifts in that organisation..

So you see, +ve discrimination can cause big problems unless carefully controlled.
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By whytie
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Good points Doc, could you imagine if a UK company were actively recruiting white UK citizens? There would be hell to pay and the company would be branded as racist, not so if it's vice versa though. The problem is that employers are scared to not employ coloured, disabled or disfigured people as the person in question could then file a claim/dispute against the company which would then result in a well advertised and drawn out court case causing the company to have bad publicity thus resulting in lower sales figures. It's a no win situation which the government has to sort out ASAP.
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By MK Chris
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Furious wrote:
|S| wrote:There's no history of severe racism against white people.


That's not true. You will find the white middle aged straight men are treated most unfairly in this country. The British Army recently ran a recruitment drive to employ gay and ethnic people. Tell me that isn't racist against white men. Also, you will see in any police recruitment ad, that they are specifically looking for ethnic officers, again, white men need not apply.

In the town where I live, Asian males, drive around in gangs, picking on and putting in hospital white men who are travelling home alone after a night out. Asian men travel in pairs and rape white women filming it on thier mobile phones. (thankfully arrested)

I ask that this thread be locked as it may turn flare up into a racist argument. Better still deleted.

Your post is bollocks, however, there is history of severe racism against white people (just not in this part of the world.)
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By whytie
#236745
Hi Topher.
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By RussT
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whytie wrote:Hi Topher.


Lol :mrgreen:
By Fathomer
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Hi Whytie.

There shouldn't be an ad saying 'Paki Jokes' just as this is a family site.
Remember the kids god damn you.
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By whytie
#236758
Hi mate. Hows tricks in Leeds? Hows the kids?
By Fathomer
#236760
Great thanks.
All is well.

Little Suzy is growing up fast- she has a Grade 3 on the piano whilst Timmy has got straight A's in his AS Levels and has joined the Conservitive Party.
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By whytie
#236763
When you planning to shoot him?
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By whytie
#236769
Special occasion?
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By RussT
#236771
Yeah his son's deathday, dumbass.
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By whytie
#236775
Deathday? Is that what you slough/wotton/newbury inbreeds call it? Up in Scotland it's called an anniversary.
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By RussT
#236777
True but you say wee instead of small :oops:
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By whytie
#236781
Fathomer wrote:Wytie- WTF?!


Right back at ya.
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By Sidders
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Lucie wrote:But sometimes the reason why 'positive discrimination' is used in the first place is to get more minority groups into certain work areas! If people aren't given a chance, things will never change! I never got why people were so hung up about companies having certain 'quotas' that they needed to fill. Sometimes it can be the only way to change things!

And by the way the advert is VERY offensive :O!

VERY VERY good post Lucie. I love you by the way.

Dr. Nick wrote:You are going for a job. You're in a waiting room with someone from an ethnic minority. You get chatting, and it's clear (s)he is underqualified for the job, and you're going to get the post easily. Two weeks later, you find that the other person got it because the company had to fill the quota.

Bad for you cos at the end of the day, you wasted your time applying and going for the interview, which was reduced to a formality because as soon as the other person's CV hit the desk, the job was theirs. And it's bad for the company because they're not getting the best person for the job.

Then, when that person is in the job. They may be very good, but everyone knows thay were only in the job because of the colour of their skin, causing resentment. If YOU are trying to move within the organisation, you and your friends will feel resentment which will spread. In the end, you could end up CREATING racism problems because everyone in the office will feel anti-whatever that person is.

Can you provide any evidence to sugest that this really happens? I went to see a black GP a couple of years ago, and while his English was limited I have to say he was one of the best doctors I have ever encountered.
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By Dr. Nick
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You must have missed the entire point of my post. I don't want you to think I'm suggesting your doctor was crap or anything.
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By Sidders
#236907
I don't think I did, but even if I did I don't care right now. I'll have another look tomorrow.
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By whytie
#236909
|S| wrote:I don't think I did, but even if I did I don't care right now. I'll have another look tomorrow.


Pisshead, shame on you, drinking on a Thursday night.
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By Sidders
#236911
Thursday is the new Monday.
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By Dr. Nick
#236913
That's SO tangential.. It's almost Zen...
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By Furious
#236918
|S| wrote:
In the town where I live, Asian males, drive around in gangs, picking on and putting in hospital white men who are travelling home alone after a night out. Asian men travel in pairs and rape white women filming it on thier mobile phones. (thankfully arrested)

I despute any truth in that. What is your source?


The fact I live there and the fact my next door neighbors wife was raped in that manner, and the fact that one of my best mates spent 5 weeks in hospital becuase of said gang. So dispute like my friend. I know its the truth.

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